Published on March 27, 2005 By drmiler In Politics
This is a reposted AP story

By ARTHUR H. ROTSTEIN
Associated Press Writer

March 25, 2005, 7:55 PM EST


PHOENIX -- All options should be considered to prevent rampages like the Minnesota school shooting that took 10 lives -- including making guns available to teachers, a top National Rifle Association leader said Friday.

"I'm not saying that that means every teacher should have a gun or not, but what I am saying is we need to look at all the options at what will truly protect the students," the NRA's first vice president, Sandra S. Froman, told The Associated Press.

Gun-control restrictions would not have prevented Jeff Weise, 16, from killing nine people and himself Monday at Red Lake High School near Bemidji, Minn., said Froman, an attorney expected next month to be elected president of the NRA, which claims 4 million members.

The presence of an unarmed guard at the school failed to stop the siege, she noted.

"No gun law, no policy that you could implement now or that was already implemented, I think, could possibly prevent someone so intent on destruction," she said. "I think everything's on the table as far as looking at what we need to do to make our schools safe for our students."

Froman said if it is the responsibility of teachers to protect students in a school, "then we as a society, we as a community have to provide a way for the teachers to do that."

Froman cited the 1997 school shooting incident in Pearl, Miss., where a teacher retrieved a gun from his car when a student opened fire, then held the student at bay until police arrived.

A law prohibiting guns in schools "is not going to stop someone who has evil in their heart and who has the capacity to commit those crimes from doing them," Froman said.

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on Mar 28, 2005
67 year old grandmothers don't often (ever?) go nuts at work and start killing people. Underpaid male civil servants have been known to.

Bad idea, imho, and I am adamantly anti-gun control, adamantly pro-ownership at a level beyond what we are allowed now. I have been to school, and worked as security in a college, and I'll tell you right now, arming teachers is a Bad Idea.

The worst moments I ever had in campus security had more to do with the teachers than the students, every single time.


We keep forgetting about things like this:



The Clarion-Ledger, Jackson, MS, 10/2/97
Alarmed at the sound of gunfire in the halls of his Pearl, Mississippi, high school, Assistant Principal Joel Myrick ran to his car to retrieve a pistol. The shooter was an armed student who marched through the school firing on his fellow classmates and teachers. The assailant's efforts to escape the scene ground to a halt when another student used his own vehicle to force the suspect's white car into the grass, where it spun to a stop. Myrick used the delay to catch up to the armed student and hold him for police. Pearl schools Superintendent Bill Dodson said of Myrick, "We think he's a hero for keeping more lives from being lost. The young man with the gun still had rounds in the rifle and could have injured other people."
on Mar 28, 2005
You don't like my idea? fine. Then come up with a better one. And don't use more gun control since the last 2 shootings were done with guns stolen from cops!


Were the guns used in the Red Lake shooting locked up? Was the ammo locked up? Could "they" have done more for the kid to prevent him from going nuts?

Underpaid male civil servants have been known to.


Like teachers with guns?
on Mar 28, 2005

You don't like my idea? fine. Then come up with a better one. And don't use more gun control since the last 2 shootings were done with guns stolen from cops!


Were the guns used in the Red Lake shooting locked up? Was the ammo locked up? Could "they" have done more for the kid to prevent him from going nuts?


Try a little more "comprehension"! The guns belonged to "police officers! Now you wanna lock up cops guns? And BTW, you never did address my point. You got a better idea? FINE! Lets HEAR it!
on Mar 28, 2005
Now you wanna lock up cops guns?


I'm sorry, I guess locking up your guns when there are kids in your house is a crazy, incomprehensible idea. My bad.
on Mar 28, 2005
Now you wanna lock up cops guns?


I'm sorry, I guess locking up your guns when there are kids in your house is a crazy, incomprehensible idea. My bad.


This is sheerly idiotic! Of the 2 shootings, the one police officer was ON DUTY just how the hell are you going to lock up the gun?


"No gun law, no policy that you could implement now or that was already implemented, I think, could possibly prevent someone so intent on destruction,"


Use your head for more than a hat rack.
on Mar 28, 2005
Blame, blame, blame.

Instead of blaming guns, or blaming society for not letting teacher's pack heat, why not accept the fact that a sick kid killed people. Why not blame the criminal? Why not try and find out if the drugs we are treating "depressed" teens with turns some of them into maniacs?

To me, this is a knee-jerk response, that creates daily dangers in the hopes of stopping very rare ones. There's no way that schools could deal with the liability of teachers accidently shooting kids, or kids getting the gun from a teacher and shooting other kids.

Just because people can't think of some way to keep kids from killing kids doesn't mean that arming teachers is better than what we have. You are enough of a debator to know that just because someone doesn't have a better idea doesn't mean your idea is feasable.
on Mar 28, 2005
It's hard to believe this is actually something being suggested. The day we arm teachers is the day my kids are homeschooled.
on Mar 28, 2005
Maybe a taser? Is that what it's called? A stun gun? I had a FIRST grader...a FIRST grader bring a knife (be it a toy knife) to school stuck in his sock and show me like he was proud...

Do I feel unsafe? Yeah...I do...but not to the point where I would quit my job. I'm scared that irrational parents will come into my classroom because I'm "allowing" their little girl to kiss boys on the playground while I'm at lunch and they're supervised by another adult on the playground, I gave their daughter a "B" in math, or...just cause. I don't know what some of my kids have been around...I can assume that some of them have been around violence and weapons and know how to use them. And at 6 and 7, they're not thinking "oh...if I use this pistol on my teacher she's dead." They don't understand what "dead" means. They think everything will be okay and they won't get into trouble or anything...

That's what's scary. And what's even scarier is how these kids aren't supervised at home. What happens at home comes out at school, parents. I see how sexually aware your kids are. So...how much cable do you let them watch? How much time to you allow your son to spend with is girlfriend in your living room unsupervised? Your little ones are watching their older siblings AND you parents...be a good example.
on Mar 28, 2005
Instead of blaming guns, or blaming society for not letting teacher's pack heat, why not accept the fact that a sick kid killed people. Why not blame the criminal? Why not try and find out if the drugs we are treating "depressed" teens with turns some of them into maniacs?


Thank you, Bakerstreet. This is the most sensible thing written in this thread, so far. The kid in MN was screwed up. All we, as a society, can do is wonder how to prevent this from happening again. How do we see the warning signs that the kid was screwed up? How do we keep guns away from kids? How do we teach kids to deal with their frustration in constructive ways? Etc........

For all the questions we may ask, I don't think we can prevent this stuff 100%. Someone will fall below the radar, and blow. It's part of life's general risks. It's unfortunately one of the manifestations in the flaws of humanity.

But, arming teachers? I don't think so, because that will do nothing to head off a kid that is about to kill other kids. It will only make the situation potentially more dangerous. I wish we, as a society have all the answers. We don't. We just try to do the best we can.
on Mar 28, 2005
EXCEEDINGLY DUMB, STUPID, MORONIC, AND FUCKINGLY DANGEROUS ID


Gee Dabe....your begining to resemble an attention whore.....

Instead of blaming guns, or blaming society for not letting teacher's pack heat, why not accept the fact that a sick kid killed people. Why not blame the criminal?


What and actually blame those responsible instead of the gun industry or some psuedo psycological disorder?? Heavens no...cant do that...next thing one knows is we actually hold all criminals accountable instead of the victims.
on Mar 28, 2005
People who aren't sure they have what it takes to kill shouldn't have a gun. A gun's primary purpose is to kill. Reminds of the lines from the Gunny in Full Metal Jacket:

If your killer instincts are not clean and strong, you will hesitate in the moment of truth. You will not kill, you will become dead marine.


I see a good percentage of teachers falling into this category. If you pull a gun and point at someone, you better damn well be sure about what you're doing. Don't ever point the barrel at anything you don't intend to destroy. I don't have a problem with those teachers willing and able to take up defensive arms. I just don't see many of them being able. Give those teachers and faculty members a big canister of OC spray.
on Mar 28, 2005
No gun for me, thanks...Maybe pepper spray or tasers like fellow teacher marcie suggested? (with proper training, of course)...I just hope and pray nothing like that ever happens at my school...
we have what are called "code blue" drills here... we are warned over the pa system that we need to go on lockdown ...the kids know that they need to find a classroom ASAP and the teacher knows she needs to put them in an area away from windows and doors...we are even going to be given emergency backpacks with materials in case lockdowns last long (water, flashlights, snacks, first aid, etc).

Obviously, this drill works when it's just practice, but who knows how well it well go if the real thing ever occurs...it really sucks that we have to worry about things like that nowadays...
on Mar 29, 2005
Let me say this once more.......NOT every teacher should be armed! It's been said before, not every teacher is capable of such a thing nor would I expect them to be. All I'm saying is give that have the capabilities the chance. Like the article I posted in reply #17. HE was capable and he had the chance. the man averted what very well could have been something REALLY bad! All it would take is a small unknown handfull to be armed. If the physcos don't know who has one they will be less likely to try anything stupid.
on Mar 29, 2005
Let me say this one more time. GUNS DO NOT BELONG IN SCHOOOLS. Not by anyone. Since when is another gun going to stop a psychotic person? No, it would turn into a gun battle. I woudn't be surprised if some psychos would welcome the challenge of a real gun battle in a school setting.

GUNS DO NOT BELONG IN SCHOOLS, except by law enforcement. If you want law enforcers in schools, that's one thing. But, do NOT give teachers guns. It would be so counterproductive. And DUMB. A knee jerk reaction to a tragedy that doesn't happen very often, anyway.
on Mar 29, 2005
Let me say this one more time. GUNS DO NOT BELONG IN SCHOOOLS. Not by anyone. Since when is another gun going to stop a psychotic person? No, it would turn into a gun battle. I woudn't be surprised if some psychos would welcome the challenge of a real gun battle in a school setting.

GUNS DO NOT BELONG IN SCHOOLS, except by law enforcement. If you want law enforcers in schools, that's one thing. But, do NOT give teachers guns. It would be so counterproductive. And DUMB. A knee jerk reaction to a tragedy that doesn't happen very often, anyway


LET ME SAY THIS ONE MORE TIME. DABE SHUT UP AND GET OFF MY BLOG. I DO NOT WANT TO HEAR ANY MORE OF YOUR STUPIDITY!
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