This may boil your blood.

Cheap Tomatoes? - Pretty interesting article
This should make everyone think, be you Democrat,
Republican or Independent

From a California school teacher - - -
"As you listen to the news about the student protests
bob

Does anyone in their right mind really think they
will voluntarily leave and return?

There are many hardworking Hispanic/American
citizens that contribute to our country and many
that I consider my true friends. We should encourage
and accept those Hispanics who have done it the
right and legal way.

It does, however, have everything to do with
culture: A third-world culture that does not value
education, that accepts children getting pregnant
and dropping out of school by 15 and that refuses to
assimilate, and an American culture that has become
so weak and worried about "politically correct" that
we don't have the will to do anything about it.



CHEAP LABOR?
Isn't that what the whole immigration issue is about?

Business doesn't want to pay a decent wage

Consumers don't want expensive produce

Government will tell you Americans don't want the jobs

But the bottom line is cheap labor. The phrase
"cheap labor" is a myth, a farce, and a lie. there
is no such thing as "cheap labor."

Take, for example, an illegal alien with a wife and
five children. He takes a job for $5.00 or
$6.00/hour. At that wage, with six dependents, he
pays no income tax, yet at the end of the year, if
he files an Income Tax Return, he gets an "earned
income credit" of up to $3,200 free.

He qualifies for Section 8 housing and subsidized rent

He qualifies for food stamps

He qualifies for free (no deductible, no co-pay) health care

His children get free breakfasts and lunches at school

He requires bilingual teachers and books

He qualifies for relief from high energy bills

If they are or become, aged, blind or disabled, they
qualify for SSI. Once qualified for SSI they can
qualify for Medicare. All of this is at taxpayer's expense

He doesn't worry about car insurance, life
insurance, or homeowners insurance.

Taxpayers provide Spanish language signs, bulletins
and printed material.

He and his family receive the equivalent of $20.00
to $30.00/hour in benefits.

Working Americans are lucky to have $5.00 or
$6.00/hour left after paying their bills and his.

The American taxpayers also pay for increased
crime, graffiti and trash clean-up.

Cheap labor? YEAH RIGHT!??


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Comments (Page 1)
on May 19, 2007
shameless bump
on May 19, 2007
Well put, good article.
on May 19, 2007
This article is just plain inaccurate. The costs of an illegal household is less than half of other households. Their American born children are U.S. citizens and are entitled to government benefits just like any other U.S. citizen. Immigrants (even those with valid SSN's from coming here legally) are not eligible for social security, unemployment, medicaid, medicare, welfare, food stamps or any other government subsidized program. More than half of illegals work "on the books" and do have government payroll taxes deducted from their paycheck. Illegal workers contributions have created a $7 billion surplus in the social security and medicare programs per year.

My stance remains the same, if you want illegal aliens to return to their country of origins remove their motivation for coming here. They come here for jobs that pay more than they can make in their home countries. Enforce the work ban. Make the business owners start paying big fines. We won't have to deport anyone or spend 2.7 million PER MILE for a border fence. If they can't find work, they will leave. Business owners are not going to move in the middle of the night and start somewhere new. And many businesses actively recruit illegal labor including paying for more illegals to come to the U.S.
on May 19, 2007
if you want illegal aliens to return to their country of origins remove their motivation for coming here. They come here for jobs that pay more than they can make in their home countries


i have to agree with this statement


this is several years old but the average mexican monthly wage is 100 dollars per month. unfortinatly the only way we can improve their wages is to make mexico part of this country. otherwise our government has no way to do anything there to improve things for them
on May 20, 2007
This article is just plain inaccurate.


You are incorrect the figure ARE deadly accurate. I have researched them myself.

This article is just plain inaccurate. The costs of an illegal household is less than half of other households. Their American born children are U.S. citizens and are entitled to government benefits just like any other U.S. citizen. Immigrants (even those with valid SSN's from coming here legally) are not eligible for social security, unemployment, medicaid, medicare, welfare, food stamps or any other government subsidized program. More than half of illegals work "on the books" and do have government payroll taxes deducted from their paycheck. Illegal workers contributions have created a $7 billion surplus in the social security and medicare programs per year.


You better check again on at least the welfare portion. If there are children involved, "everything" changes at least from your perspective. "If" children are involved and the parents make at or below minimum wage they damn sure are entitled to welfare. All it takes is a fake SS number. And I don't know about you but I can get one of those REAL cheap and REAL fast. Back in the day for about $500 and 7 days I could have set you up with an entire fake identity that would withstand any scrutiny
on May 20, 2007
Back in the day for about $500 and 7 days I could have set you up with an entire fake identity that would withstand any scrutiny


What do you do for a living? LOL.
on May 20, 2007
What do you do for a living? LOL.


"did" not do. I haven't in a loooong time. And what I did do is better left unsaid.
on May 20, 2007
Take, for example, an illegal alien with a wife and
five children.


Another commonly believed inaccuracy, Mexican mothers have an average of 2.2 children, Americans 2.1.


You are incorrect the figure ARE deadly accurate. I have researched them myself.


There are no "real" figures here. It's all just suposition.

All it takes is a fake SS number.


Then that is fraud and it should be prosecuted. The states should have a protocol in place to determine if a social security number is real or not.

on May 20, 2007
The thing is, drmiler, they're not just taking the job Americans won't do. The packing plant they raided in Cactus, TX pays a starting salary of $11.90/hr...plus they provide rent free housing until the paychecks come in. Three years ago, I would have jumped at that deal, and I'm not only an American, but my family has logged more than a dozen generations on this continent.

In my personal experience, when a Mexican workforce is predominant in a place of employment, they tend to lock "gringoes" out. If you're a gringo and you work there, you're seen as taking "their" jobs, and they despise you. I saw it in the mine, I saw it in the fast food places where I worked, and I saw it in the Cactus, TX packing plant.

I have no problem with people working to feed their family. None. But when they start trying to keep ME from feeding MINE by creating a hostile workplace, then they've worn out their welcome.
on May 20, 2007
Then that is fraud and it should be prosecuted. The states should have a protocol in place to determine if a social security number is real or not.


Sorry but that's not up to the states. The states do not issue the SS#. That comes from Uncle Sam. What pisses me off the most is the fact that the IRS "knows" it's a fake number because they have the access to check and don't do a damn thing about it when they find it.

Take, for example, an illegal alien with a wife and
five children.


Another commonly believed inaccuracy, Mexican mothers have an average of 2.2 children, Americans 2.1.


And loco please take note of this word....the word example means a sample, not each and every family. Something else, please explain just "how" you have a .2 child. Either it's 1 child or it's not. What they're saying is that enough mexican families have 3 or more children so the .2 gets added. And by the way your information is flawed. This is from the US Census Bureau:


In 2002, 26.5 percent of family
households in which a Hispanic
person was the householder consisted
of five or more people.10 In
contrast, only 10.8 percent of non-
Hispanic White family households
were this large. Among Hispanic
family households, Mexican family
households were most likely to
have five or more people
(30.8 percent) (see Figure 6).
Family households with only two
people represented 25.9 percent of
Hispanic family households but
48.7 percent of non-Hispanic White
family households. Among
Hispanics, Cuban family households
were most likely to have
only two people (43.1 percent).



You really should take the time to read the link. It'll fill in the info your missing.
Link
on May 20, 2007
And loco please take note of this word....the word example means a sample, not each and every family. Something else, please explain just "how" you have a .2 child. Either it's 1 child or it's not. What they're saying is that enough mexican families have 3 or more children so the .2 gets added. And by the way your information is flawed. This is from the US Census Bureau:


You get the .2 because it is an average, just like for the Americans you get .1.

My numbers aren't incorrect your data shows the number of people in a household. A lot of Mexican households have extended family that live with them, a brother, a grandma etc. It isn't necessarily dad, mom and kids. Most U.S. families it's mom, dad and kids. Or mom and kids or dad and kids.
on May 20, 2007
have no problem with people working to feed their family. None. But when they start trying to keep ME from feeding MINE by creating a hostile workplace, then they've worn out their welcome.


american unions

on May 20, 2007
The truth is, it is about more than cheap labor, drmiler. Businesses don't foot the cots; the taxpayers do. But businesses pay more because it's easier to skirt OSHA laws when your workforce is afraid of reporting you because they might be deported in the process. To say nothing of the businesses that bring in crews for short jobs, then refuse to give them paychecks, telling them they'll have them deported if they complain to anyone. It happens. It's been documented.

The going rate for illegals last I heard (3 years ago) was $5000 a head. $1200 to the mule. And most of the businesses importing the illegals work them in awful conditions for low wages with the promise of quality forged documents once they complete their term of indenture.

I contend that there is little difference between the slave ships that ran between Sierra Leone and the West Indies up to the early 1800's, and the semis that travel our interstates now. If the businesses that have knowingly trafficked and exploited illegal immigrants for their personal gain were forced to forfeit their illegally gained earnings to the nation of Mexico, it is my firm contention that Mexico would have more than ample money to rebuild her economy.

What makes me mad, what makes my blood boil, is not the Mexican (or Guatemalan, or Honduran) who comes here for work, but the businesses that exploit them and even encourage their immigration.

But then I was raised in a state where we were considered lower than illegals not seventy years ago, as carloads full of "Okies" swarmed to California to face similar treatment. Maybe that colors my view.
on May 20, 2007
Solution?

Let's just kill everybody on the entire planet.

Let the cockroaches take over already.
on May 20, 2007
Sorry but that's not up to the states. The states do not issue the SS#. That comes from Uncle Sam. What pisses me off the most is the fact that the IRS "knows" it's a fake number because they have the access to check and don't do a damn thing about it when they find it.


The states are the ones that issue the benefits that you are talking about, AFDC, housing. That's why I said the state. There should be a program in place between the states issueing benefits and the national government to determine if a ss is fake.