Take, for example, an illegal alien with a wife and five children. Another commonly believed inaccuracy, Mexican mothers have an average of 2.2 children, Americans 2.1.

TWEEEETTTTT!

Time Freaking out!

First, not all Hispanics are Mexican.

Second, not all Illegal Aliens are Hispanic.

Third, not all Illegal Aliens are Mexican!

Go about arguing numbers, but do it right.

No one asked anyone to sneak across our borders. Pweriod, break the law, you are a criminal.

Actually, it is a civil offense. They are considered by the government to be non-criminal illegal aliens unless they have committed a crime besides being the country illegally.



Okay, point taken. I guess the common perception is that illegal aliens are Mexican though you are correct not all illegal aliens are Mexican.

The states are the ones that issue the benefits that you are talking about, AFDC, housing. That's why I said the state. There should be a program in place between the states issueing benefits and the national government to determine if a ss is fake.

Sorry, but "states" do "not" issue section 8 housing (federal program). Link They don't issue food stamps, which is also a federal program. Link States do not issue SSI or SSDI Link and they don't issue Medicare (again a "federal" program). Link And finally states have nothing to do with "federal" income tax. Some of the others mentioned are indeed state run programs. But not these. And that's coming out of "all" of our pockets.

No one asked anyone to sneak across our borders. Pweriod, break the law, you are a criminal. Actually, it is a civil offense. They are considered by the government to be non-criminal illegal aliens unless they have committed a crime besides being the country illegally.

You're wrong here also. it has been a "federal" offense since 1929. It is not a civil offense

Under Title 8 Section 1325 of the U.S. Code, "Improper Entry by Alien," any citizen of any country other than the United States who: Enters or attempts to enter the United States at any time or place other than as designated by immigration officers; or Eludes examination or inspection by immigration officers; or Attempts to enter or obtains entry to the United States by a willfully false or misleading representation or the willful concealment of a material fact; has committed a federal crime. Violations are punishable by criminal fines and imprisonment for up to six months. Repeat offenses can bring up to two years in prison. Additional civil fines may be imposed at the discretion of immigration judges, but civil fines do not negate the criminal sanctions or nature of the offense. See: Unlawful entry a crime since '29 - Rocky Mountain News -- June 11, 2006

You "usually" do not get put in prison for a "civil" offense. Civil offense usually means a ticket and court apperance where you get fined.

TWEEEETTTTT! Time Freaking out! First, not all Hispanics are Mexican. Second, not all Illegal Aliens are Hispanic. Third, not all Illegal Aliens are Mexican! Go about arguing numbers, but do it right.

Okay Doc you are correct in your opinions. But you'll "have" to admit that "most" of the illegal aliens in this country are "Hispanic" & of Mexican desent. I can dig up the figures on that if it'll make you feel better.

It is a crime to get caught crossing the border illegally. Unlawful presence in the U.S. is currently a civil offense.



Okay so I was mistaken on this point. Whatever bureaucracy is in charge should have a system in place to make sure a SSN is legit, require a photo ID, something.

Not necessary. I dont question the numbers. But I dont like equating one nationality with the problem. Too often it then becomes since A=B, then B=A. When in reality B is only a subset of A.

You're wrong here also. it has been a "federal" offense since 1929. It is not a civil offense It is a crime to get caught crossing the border illegally. Unlawful presence in the U.S. is currently a civil offense.

Did you not read what was quoted? That was from a FEDERAL page.

Under Title 8 Section 1325 of the U.S. Code, "Improper Entry by Alien," any citizen of any country other than the United States who: Enters or attempts to enter the United States at any time or place other than as designated by immigration officers; or Eludes examination or inspection by immigration officers; or Attempts to enter or obtains entry to the United States by a willfully false or misleading representation or the willful concealment of a material fact; has committed a federal crime. Violations are punishable by criminal fines and imprisonment for up to six months. Repeat offenses can bring up to two years in prison. Additional civil fines may be imposed at the discretion of immigration judges, but civil fines do not negate the criminal sanctions or nature of the offense. See: Unlawful entry a crime since '29 - Rocky Mountain News -- June 11, 2006

Better look a little deeper

TITLE 8 > CHAPTER 12 > SUBCHAPTER II > Part VIII > § 1325 Prev | Next § 1325. Improper entry by alien How Current is This? (a) Improper time or place; avoidance of examination or inspection; misrepresentation and concealment of facts Any alien who (1) enters or attempts to enter the United States at any time or place other than as designated by immigration officers, or (2) eludes examination or inspection by immigration officers, or (3) attempts to enter or obtains entry to the United States by a willfully false or misleading representation or the willful concealment of a material fact, shall, for the first commission of any such offense, be fined under title 18 or imprisoned not more than 6 months, or both, and, for a subsequent commission of any such offense, be fined under title 18, or imprisoned not more than 2 years, or both. ( Improper time or place; civil penalties Any alien who is apprehended while entering (or attempting to enter) the United States at a time or place other than as designated by immigration officers shall be subject to a civil penalty of— (1) at least $50 and not more than $250 for each such entry (or attempted entry); or (2) twice the amount specified in paragraph (1) in the case of an alien who has been previously subject to a civil penalty under this subsection. Civil penalties under this subsection are in addition to, and not in lieu of, any criminal or other civil penalties that may be imposed.

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Actually, it is a civil offense. They are considered by the government to be non-criminal illegal aliens unless they have committed a crime besides being the country illegally.

This is just so much double speak. There is no legal backing for your use of "non-criminal illegal aliens". "If" you have entered the US illegally then by "all" legal standards you have commited an criminal act. Once you have commited such a criminal act, you are considered in the legal sense as a "criminal", not a non-criminal as you suggest.

it may be a civil offense but the federal government won't let the states handle it

Actually, it is a civil offense. They are considered by the government to be non-criminal illegal aliens unless they have committed a crime besides being the country illegally. it may be a civil offense but the federal government won't let the states handle it

Dan, read the bold section at the bottom of reply #24. Basically, while there are civil penalties they are in "addition" to and "not" in lieu of any "criminal" proceedings.

the nationalition people will not allow the local governments to even ask if the people are illegals and will not allow them to deport them becouse that is the agencies job

I'm sorry, how do you become an unlawful presences in the US? I mean in order to be here unlawfully you would had to do 1 of 2 things: Either have your passport or visa expire or enter the country illegaly. I can't seem to figure out any other way to be unlawfully present in this country, maybe you can enlighten me. But chances are the percentage of people here illegaly due to crossing the boarders is 10 times more that those who have expired passports or visas. That would mean that unless you can prove you were here at one point legally and then it would be a civil offense, you would have most likely crossed the boarder illegaly which would then make you a criminal.

Okay so I was mistaken on this point. Whatever bureaucracy is in charge should have a system in place to make sure a SSN is legit, require a photo ID, something.

You were mistaken on more than this one point. I counted 6 mistakes on who handles what. Go read "all" the links in reply #19. And just as an fyi...Letting your passport or visa expire is considered a civil offense. Crossing the border illegally is still considered a federally criminal offense.

But you ARE correct in the fact that all agencies involved should be able to check for valid SS numbers and be allowed to prosecute such offenses when found.