He strikes yet again!

Published on May 1, 2005 By drmiler In Politics

Yet again the *col* strikes. He had an article going on Bush cutting SS. I have proved him wrong yet again and he still will not admit it. I gave him links to fact check.org and according to him that ain't good enough. I believe I will follow the crowd on this. No longer will I post to his site. I'll just post a refuting article on my site. His arrogance knows no bounds and I for one am heartily sick of it.

Comments (Page 2)

drmiler

on May 02, 2005

I keep telling you doc , facts never gets in the way of a bush basher, when you gonna learn?

Probably never. I keep hoping that all will change. I believe in mankinds basic good.

Dr Guy

on May 02, 2005

Dr is right and you are wrong. What Bush is saying to do is correct an error (indexing benefits to wage growth instead of price growth). He is not cutting anything unless you feel that ill gotten gains being removed is a cut. That is like saying if you take a robbers ill gotten booty, you are robbing him.

Righttttttttt. You lost Col Klink. NOw just admit it.

drmiler

on May 02, 2005

The impact of reducing the COLA is to lower the amount the retiree will receive in the future. Since inflation will continue, the reductions Bush is proposing will lower the dollars to future retirees the way Social Security has calculated. There are only two ways to make up for the lack of money for Social Security - Lower future benefits (what Bush proposed) or increase the tax revenue going into the Social Security Fund.

Dr is right and you are wrong. What Bush is saying to do is correct an error (indexing benefits to wage growth instead of price growth). He is not cutting anything unless you feel that ill gotten gains being removed is a cut. That is like saying if you take a robbers ill gotten booty, you are robbing him.
Righttttttttt. You lost Col Klink. NOw just admit it.

Won't happen! He's to self-righteous!

COL Gene

on May 02, 2005

please read the statement from the Social Security chief actuary:

Workers earning between $20,000 and $90,000 would have their benefits set by a sliding scale that combines inflation increases and wage growth.

According to analyses by Social Security's chief actuary, the nonpartisan Congressional Research Service and the liberal Center on Budget and Policy Priorities, the effect would be substantial. By 2055, workers earning $90,000 would see their annual Social Security benefit drop from the currently scheduled $35,751 to $22,666, a 37 percent reduction, according to the Center on Budget and Policy Priorities. By 2075, the negative effect would be 49 percent.

Even if nothing were done to fix Social Security's finances, such workers in 2075 would see their benefits cut by $5,156, or 19 percent, from the level even a "bankrupt" Social Security system could pay.

For the working class, the picture is more complex. Under progressive indexing, a worker now earning $35,000 and retiring in 2055 would see annual benefits fall by 21 percent, or $4,552. But that benefit would be $1,685 more than Social Security could actually pay, absent any changes. If that same retiree were earning $58,000 in 2005, his benefits would be cut by $9,082, or 31 percent, from currently scheduled levels. If nothing were done to Social Security, the worker would still receive $813 more a year under a "bankrupt" system than under progressive indexing.

There are only two ways to fix Social Security cut benefits or increase taxes. Since Bush's solution does not increase taxes his solution is a cut in benefits. In fact that proposal that is outlined above according to Bush will only fix 70% of the funding shortfall in spite of the fact that all but 30% of American future retirees will receive last then under the current plan. In fact for the 70% that will see their benefits cut according to the chief actuary of Social Security, it will be a larger cut then if we did nothing and Social Security is only able to pay about 75% of the benefits beginning in 2042. Now it is true that if we do nothing 100% of future retirees would receive 25% cut in benefits as compared with the Bush plan were the bottom 30% will get 100% of promised benefits and the other 70% will see cuts ranging from 21 to 40%

drmiler

on May 02, 2005

please read the statement from the Social Security chief actuary:

BS!!!! Like I said, fact check.org has *proven* this to be false! How many times do I have to SHOW you that you are wrong?

COL Gene

on May 02, 2005

drmiler It is you that is full of Bull S*it. We are to believe you and not the Social Security staff. You also fail to answer since the only two ways to prevent SS from being unable to pay full benefits is to cut benefits or increase taxes, and Bush has not proposed to increase taxes, he is solving the provlem by CUTTING BENEFITS.

Moderateman

on May 02, 2005

16 by drmiler
Monday, May 02, 2005

I keep telling you doc , facts never gets in the way of a bush basher, when you gonna learn?

Probably never. I keep hoping that all will change. I believe in mankinds basic good.

this is why I like you doc, because of your belief that man is basically good, where as I think man is basically unconcious.

Moderateman

on May 02, 2005

That is like saying if you take a robbers ill gotten booty, you are robbing him.

ummmmmmmm docguy?? stealing is stealing no matter who a person steals from, k?

Dr Guy

on May 02, 2005

ummmmmmmm docguy?? stealing is stealing no matter who a person steals from, k?

Taking a robbers ill gotten booty is not stealing. It is not his, and the officials are not taking it for themselves, but to give compensation to the victims. What Col Klink is arguing is that once a theif gets the goods, they are his to keep. And that is not only wrong, it is immoral to boot.

drmiler

on May 02, 2005

s you that is full of Bull S*it. We are to believe you and not the Social Security staff. You also fail to answer since the only two ways to prevent SS from being unable to pay full benefits is to cut benefits or increase taxes, and Bush has not proposed to increase taxes, he is solving the provlem by CUTTING BENEFITS.

NOT me you IDIOT! Fact check.org said it. Go freaking read reply #8 fool!

drmiler

on May 02, 2005

16 by drmiler
Monday, May 02, 2005

I keep telling you doc , facts never gets in the way of a bush basher, when you gonna learn?

Probably never. I keep hoping that all will change. I believe in mankinds basic good.

this is why I like you doc, because of your belief that man is basically good, where as I think man is basically unconcious.

except when we're refering to dabe.

drmiler

on May 02, 2005

What part of fact check.org did you NOT understand?

drmiler

on May 04, 2005

Doesn't he EVER get tired of hearing the same record over and over again? It's "always" more of the same.....bash Bush for everything.

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