Published on February 3, 2005 By drmiler In Politics
This is reposted from the Armed Females of America website. The site alone is enough to scare me. A very mad woman with a loaded firearm is scary.





The Last Refuge for Hate: Gun Hate


Author seeks to add “hoplophobia” to DSM, the official directory of mental ailments

by Alan Korwin, Author
Gun Laws of America

For Immediate Release
January 24, 2005


Email has been flooded recently with links to the Dept. of Justice study, just released, that unambiguously finds the right to keep and bear arms belongs to individual people.

The 214-year-old American right to keep and bear arms does not protect some sort of collective, or assembled militias, or armed forces, or a right of the states. Those newly minted arguments are now off the table, wiped out, dead. RKBA is a right you and I have as individuals. I’ve gotten the link a dozen times already, you may have too, and if not, here it is:

http://www.usdoj.gov/olc/secondamendment2.htm (main conclusions excerpted at end of this report)

However, since the bulk of resistance to the American right to arms has its roots in a medical condition, no amount of history, legal analysis, precedent, logic or argument will resolve the issue.

People who are terrified of and hate guns -- hoplophobes -- don’t care about anything rational, and we waste our time on such arguments. They want guns to go away. They don’t trust guns. They don’t trust people who have guns, and especially people who like guns. The only exception is “official” people with guns, meaning, they’re from the government, a source of relief.

I know, I know, that’s irrational. But that’s the nature of the disease, and it will not be fixed by DOJ reports.

The more intelligent of the hoplophobes may give up their you-have-no-rights argument due to the DOJ report, but it won’t stop them one bit.

They will seize on anything else, because hoplophobia is an irrational fear. Conveniently, the language of the report itself says that the limits of this individual right have not been clearly defined.

To a hoplophobe, that means your right to arms can be legally limited to a single gun, with a single round, that does not operate, and is locked away, with government holding the key. And even that leaves them nervous.

We don’t need more arguments or some DOJ paper that finds what we already know and have exercised for two centuries. Oh, I guess the intellectuals on our side will make some use of it, and it may have some positive effects in some courts.

What we really need is research and medical-treatment programs for the poor, unfortunate people who are terrified of guns, won’t go near guns, who would not defend themselves or their families if they had to, and who, very plainly, hate guns.

Hate is a terrible thing.

It must be confronted vigorously, righteously, and in a forthright manner. Logic and law do not confront hate, or help lessen it. We must learn not to tolerate gun hate, anywhere we find it.

Hoplophobic behavior in government, schools, and all facets of public life must be recognized for what it is, exposed, and rooted out or treated. Seemingly utopian pacifists are free to profess their love of a weapon-free world, but they must start by disarming the evil, criminal and tyrannical. Disarming the general public is a vent for their twisted fear and hatred, a grotesque affront to freedom, and unacceptable.

Guns save lives. Guns stop crime. Guns are why America is still free. The history of freedom is inextricably tied to the development of weapons (an interesting study, by the way, if you have the time to examine it). Good people need guns. Efforts to end that are immoral and unjust, and when done by government, is a direct failure to “preserve, protect and defend the Constitution.” That’s a violation of the oath of office, which should lead to removal from office and possibly even criminal charges.

The people we elect or hire for public service should be screened for latent or overt gun hatred, and disqualified if such hatred is found, before it can do any more harm to our nation and its values.

It is well past the time when the DSM (Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders), the catalog of recognized mental infirmities, includes “hoplophobia,” in all its forms, and serious medical research is conducted to identify and treat this pernicious condition that threatens us all. The doctors among you should begin raising this issue. If you’re not a doctor but have one or two, ask them about it.

The opponents of gun rights come in four fundamental categories:

Utopian Idealists - Dreamers willing to ignore human nature (anger, hostility, temper, greed, lust, hunger, poverty, want, megalomania, social pathologies, etc.) in the vain hope for a world where no one ever needs to defend themselves or others; Result: misguided efforts to disarm the public since no one should ever be capable of exerting lethal force for any reason. Fairly rare.

Routine Bigots - Ignorant gun haters who, generally, have never actually seen a real gun much less fired one, and hate what they don’t know; strong corollaries with race haters; Result: Vigorous anti-rights profile if left alone, however they often resolve their blind hatred when education removes the ignorance -- frequent anecdotes of such folks “converting” after their first time at a range. Quite common.

Hoplophobes -- Unfortunate souls afflicted with a phobic terror of firearms, deserving of pity, and in need of medical attention; Result: Though they should never be involved in setting policy on self defense, national security, or Second Amendment rights, they often insinuate themselves into such positions, their need for treatment goes unattended, and they cause grevious social harm. Easily mistaken for plain bigotry. Too common.

Power Mongers - Like some at the U.N or many anti-gun-rights politicians, they know full well that an armed public interferes with their plans, and they insidiously use lies about the gun issue, and “disarmament (of you but not them) as a road to peace” as a power base and source of support; Result: truly evil, tyrannts who ultimately suppress human rights, contribute to global genocides, live an elite lifestyle, care not for their fellow citizens. Rare but extremely dangerous.

Bottom line:

It’s nice that the DOJ report came out. The battle however lies elsewhere.

Alan.

DOJ CONCLUSIONS: (from 125-page report)

For the foregoing reasons, we conclude that the Second Amendment secures an individual right to keep and to bear arms...

...our examination of the original meaning of the Amendment provides extensive reasons to conclude that the Second Amendment secures an individual right, and no persuasive basis for either the collective-right or quasi-collective-right views.

The text of the Amendment's operative clause, setting out a "right of the people to keep and bear Arms," is clear and is reinforced by the Constitution's structure.

The Amendment's prefatory clause, properly understood, is fully consistent with this interpretation.

The broader history of the Anglo-American right of individuals to have and use arms, from England's Revolution of 1688-1689 to the ratification of the Second Amendment a hundred years later, leads to the same conclusion.

Finally, the first hundred years of interpretations of the Amendment, and especially the commentaries and case law in the pre-Civil War period closest to the Amendment's ratification, confirm what the text and history of the Second Amendment require.

"My own view on gun control is simple: I hate guns and I cannot imagine why anybody would want to own one. If I had my way, guns for sport would be registered, and all other guns would be banned." --Deborah Prothrow-Stith, Harvard School of Public Health


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on Feb 03, 2005
Moderateman:
1 semi automatic 7.62x55 sks

1 30.06 bolt action rifle


I've never seen a 7.62x55, only 7.62x51 NATO and 7.62x54 SVD/PKM rounds.

And is your .30-06 a M1903 by any chance?



You have auomatic firearms? Because that what an assualt rifle *really* is.


No. That's why I put assault weapon in quotes. I have no use for automatic anyway.

And if we're gonna get picky.
1911 45ACP
#19 S&W 357M
686+ S&W 357M
2 1873 Uberti cattlemen 357M (old time revolvers)
Davis derringer 38 spec

Mossberg 500 12G
Stoeger O&U 12G
Stoeger coach gun dbl/brd 12G
Stevens 311 dbl/brd 410G

7.7 Ariska
7mm Spanish mauser
Winchester lever action 357M


Interesting collection. My assortment consists of :

- an AR-10A4 7.62x51mm
- an SA-M7 7.62x39mm. Just an American-made AK-47
- an M1903A1 Springfield .30-06
- a CMP surplus M1 Garand .30-06
- a 12 Gauge Remington 870 Marine 6 shot mag.
- a .357 Smith & Wesson M28 revolver


Out of all the guns I've been issued, this was my favorite. As of now though, the only gun I own is a restored British .303 Enfield.


if you only own one, that's a good one to have.
on Feb 03, 2005

A very mad (as in crazy) woman with a loaded firearm, is SEXY!!! ;~D


I meant mad as in pissed off at you in particular! You would be very liable to be shot.


I'm sorry, but I have to step up and ask this.....why would you be any more likely to be shot by a pissed off female with a gun than a pissed off male?  As a proud concealed carry certification holder and gun owner and user (both on and off duty) for a few years, I can tell you I am LESS likely to shoot in a moment of anger than a lot of dudes I know. 


Take that for what you will, but I had to say it.

on Feb 03, 2005
No. That's why I put assault weapon in quotes. I have no use for automatic anyway.


- an SA-M7 7.62x39mm. Just an American-made AK-47


AK-47's aren't assult weapons now? Since when did they become standard defensive weapons? Or hunting weapons?
on Feb 03, 2005

The right to bear arms was designed not for home defense or hunting but explicitly to ensure the government didn't become a tyranny. A well armed citizenry is one that can keep the government in check. At least, that's what the founding fathers felt.

You may disagree with that point of view and hence you're welcome to push for a constitutional amendment that establishes the right of congress to pass gun control measures. 

on Feb 03, 2005
AK-47's aren't assult weapons now? Since when did they become standard defensive weapons? Or hunting weapons?


"Assault weapon" is a meaningless as it stands in America. It's usage reflected little more than aesthetics.

What's the difference between

AND

on Feb 03, 2005

Reply #18 By: sandy2 - 2/3/2005 9:17:27 PM
No. That's why I put assault weapon in quotes. I have no use for automatic anyway.


- an SA-M7 7.62x39mm. Just an American-made AK-47


AK-47's aren't assult weapons now? Since when did they become standard defensive weapons? Or hunting weapons?


Unless you are talking about the military version of the AK-47 (full auto) versus the civilian version (semi-auto) is NOT an assualt weapon.
on Feb 03, 2005

Reply #17 By: dharmagrl - 2/3/2005 7:55:07 PM
A very mad (as in crazy) woman with a loaded firearm, is SEXY!!! ;~D


I meant mad as in pissed off at you in particular! You would be very liable to be shot.



I'm sorry, but I have to step up and ask this.....why would you be any more likely to be shot by a pissed off female with a gun than a pissed off male? As a proud concealed carry certification holder and gun owner and user (both on and off duty) for a few years, I can tell you I am LESS likely to shoot in a moment of anger than a lot of dudes I know.


Take that for what you will, but I had to say it.


I'll tell you this much. Due to your training (which most women don't get) I'd much rather have you pissed off and pointing a firearm at me then *most* women I know.
on Feb 03, 2005

I'd much rather have you pissed off and pointing a firearm at me then *most* women I know.


im sorta open to arming dabe now that you mention it

on Feb 04, 2005
Only thing we should do is stop criminials from getting guns, as well as mentally ill people.

Only gun I own is Airzooka.
on Feb 04, 2005
I'm with 311 on this one, though I don't appreciate the chosen word for the insult "guns are for pussies." At least I believe hand guns and assault rifles are.

-suspeckted
on Feb 05, 2005
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on Feb 05, 2005
Reply By: Eastern DiamondbackPosted: Thursday, February 03, 2005Moderateman:1 semi automatic 7.62x55 sks1 30.06 bolt action rifleI've never seen a 7.62x55, only 7.62x51 NATO and 7.62x54 SVD/PKM rounds.And is your .30-06 a M1903 by any chance?


The 30.06 is just a remington.. shoots straight and true tho... bout 2700 fps.. You threw me with the 6.62X54 comment , so I sauntered inside and looked at some ammo.... 7.62X55 it is.. must be older nato tound, dont know for sure as I been out of nato 36 years

would love haveing an old 03 springfield... used it long ago in an ugly place..
on Feb 05, 2005
Reply By: dharmagrlPosted: Thursday, February 03, 2005A very mad (as in crazy) woman with a loaded firearm, is SEXY!!! ;~DI meant mad as in pissed off at you in particular! You would be very liable to be shot.I'm sorry, but I have to step up and ask this.....why would you be any more likely to be shot by a pissed off female with a gun than a pissed off male? As a proud concealed carry certification holder and gun owner and user (both on and off duty) for a few years, I can tell you I am LESS likely to shoot in a moment of anger than a lot of dudes I know. Take that for what you will, but I had to say it.


ummmmmmm target recognition is part of who I am and I am way more likely to slap someones head off than shoot them. trust me a slap from me aint fun {6ft 2in 225 pounds and 38 inch seams for one arm}
on Feb 05, 2005
im not really sure how i feel about gun ownership, to be honest, though i dont have a strong need to univerally ban them for other people. im just curious: what do you use all of your guns for? im fairly certain some of these are for hunting, and some may be for personal protection. but my best guess is that a lot of these are just for personal collections. do you use them all for something?

tbt
on Feb 05, 2005

Reply #29 By: TaBoo Tenente - 2/5/2005 12:16:06 PM
im not really sure how i feel about gun ownership, to be honest, though i dont have a strong need to univerally ban them for other people. im just curious: what do you use all of your guns for? im fairly certain some of these are for hunting, and some may be for personal protection. but my best guess is that a lot of these are just for personal collections. do you use them all for something?

tbt


Okay lets add a few. Try target practice for starters. All the firepower in the world won't help if you can't hit the target. Next would be competion shooting. I know a guy who makes 60,000 a year shooting shotgun. On to skeet/trap and then to Cowboy action shooting (these could also be construed as competion shooting. There are TONS of different competions) Personally I will not own a firearm that I do not shoot.
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