Published on December 22, 2004 By drmiler In Politics
It seems once more ABC tries to decieve their audience. The following is a repost from "MRC".


ABC Deceivingly Paints Bush Haters as
Average Military Families

In a Sunday night ABC story, the brother and mother of soldiers killed in Iraq denounced Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld for having an auto-pen machine sign his letters of condolence. The brother charged that Rumsfeld doesn't "care about the troops." The mother claimed "it personally shows me how callous and unfeeling he is and our government is." But while World News Tonight/Sunday anchor Terry Moran portrayed the two as representative of how "some military families" are "upset" with Rumsfeld, the two are dedicated Bush and Rumsfeld haters with a political axe to grind.

Ivan Medina, the brother of the late Irving Medina, spoke in June at a pro-Fahrenheit 9/11 publicity event and in May took part in an anti-Rumsfeld protest outside of West Point where he charged: "This government lied to the military soldiers. Bush went to war to settle a family vendetta." Sue Niederer, the mother of the late Seth Dvorin, sported a "President Bush: You Killed My Son" T-shirt when she was arrested for disrupting a September speech by First Lady Laura Bush. Earlier, in a May interview with the far-left Counterpunch Web site, she urged harm to President Bush. Asked her reaction to how the war was based on "misinformation," she replied: "I wanted to rip the President's head off. Curse him, yell at him, call him a self-righteous bastard and a lot of other words. I think if I had him in front of me I would shoot him in the groined area."

[Web Update: Monday's Good Morning America also featured Sue Niederer, but not Ivan Medina. Reporter Jessica Yellin reported that Rumsfeld's use of the auto-pen is "outraging the families of some soldiers." Viewers then heard from only one family member with a relative killed in Iraq, Niederer: "Why even bother to send us a letter that you can't even be bothered signing? You're saying to a person who has a deceased child, husband, or wife, it really doesn't matter, that I have no feelings." Yellin later noted: "The White House is standing by Secretary Rumsfeld. That's not good news to Sue Niederer." Niederer got a second soundbite: "To not even have the courtesy to sign it personally shows me how callous and unfeeling he is and our government is."]

Moran introduced the December 19 story prompted by the revelation in the Stars & Stripes newspaper: "Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld is under fire from some military families and members of the Congress. They're upset that he has used a machine to attach his signature to some letters of condolence. More than a thousand of those letters have been sent to families who've lost sons and daughters in the global war on terror."

John Yang began: "After Ivan Medina's twin brother Irving, an Army Specialist, was killed in Baghdad last year, Ivan got a letter of condolence from Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld. Today Medina, himself a veteran if Iraq, said he was angered to learn that Rumsfeld never actually signed the or even saw it."
Ivan Medina: "Our commanders here in the United States, who include the President and the Secretary of Defense, don't care about the troops. We're just a number to them and that's the wrong message to send back to our troops."
Yang: "Sue Niederer's son, First Lieutenant Seth Dvorin, died in Iraq in February."
Sue Niederer, son killed in Iraq, with some Army paraphernalia behind her: "It made me feel infuriated. Totally disgusted. Not even to have the courtesy to sign it personally shows me how callous and unfeeling he is and our government is."

Yang went on to recount how Rumsfeld issued a statement which explained that the auto-pen ensured "expeditious notifications," but he promised to personally sign the letter in the future as has President Bush all along.

A simple, quick check with Google documented the political activism of the two:

-- A photo caption on the left-wing Common Dreams Web site: "Ivan Medina (R) makes a point during a news conference in New York June 30, 2004 held to support the film 'Fahrenheit 9/11.' Medina, a Marine who served in Iraq, talked about his twin brother Irving who was also a Marine and was killed in Iraq. Media's parents Jorge (C) and Ana also attended the news conference where military families urged President George W. Bush and his cabinet to see the film 'Fahrenheit 9/11.'" See: www.commondreams.org

-- "Protesters gather outside West Point," read the headline over a May 30 story in the Journal News of Rockland, New York. Reporter Jennifer Weil began:

Ivan Medina knows that war can be brutal because he experienced it firsthand.

Last year the 22-year-old Middletown, N.Y., man and his twin brother, Irving, spent about six months in Iraq as Army specialists.

Yesterday, Ivan Medina and his parents, Ana and Jorge, were among the 200 people near the gates of the U.S. Military Academy at West Point protesting the war in Iraq and the visit by Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld, who gave the commencement address.

Ivan Medina returned from Iraq in August 2003. He said his brother died on the streets of Baghdad three months later.

"I'm here to show support to my troops and tell the people that this person that's coming to speak to the cadets is a liar and a war criminal," Medina said. "What better way than someone who served and lost a loved one.

"This government lied to the military soldiers. Bush went to war to settle a family vendetta. He wanted to put back the Bush name after what happened in the Gulf War."

The rally organized by the Democratic Alliance of Orange County began about 12:15 p.m. at Memorial Park in Highland Falls, a short walk from the academy. Among the participants were the Rockland Coalition for Peace and Justice, Veterans for Peace, Drama Dragons, the Saugerties Peace and Social Justice Committee, and a group calling itself Billionaires for Bush....

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For the article in full: www.thejournalnews.com

-- "Grieving Mom Heckles Laura Bush," read the headline over a September 17 CBSNews.com posting based on a piece which ran on the CBS Evening News. An excerpt:

A woman wearing a T-shirt with the words "President Bush You Killed My Son" and a picture of a soldier killed in Iraq was detained Thursday after she interrupted a campaign speech by first lady Laura Bush.

Police escorted Sue Niederer of Hopewell, N.J., from a rally at a firehouse after she demanded to know why her son, Army 1st Lt. Seth Dvorin, 24, was killed in Iraq. Dvorin died in February while trying to disarm a bomb.

As shouts of "Four More Years" subsided, Niederer, standing in the middle of a crowd of some 700, continued to shout about the killing of her son.

When Bush mentioned the troops abroad, Niederer shouted, "When are yours going to serve?" referring to Bush's 22-year-old twin daughters, who aren't in the armed services.

Last week, in an interview with CBS News National Security Correspondent David Martin, Niederer said she sees her son's death as a waste.

Local police escorted Niederer out of the event, handcuffed her and placed her in the back of a police van.

Outside the hall, she said she had a ticket and asked why she was being arrested. She was told by police she had entered a private event and had refused to leave, the Trenton Times reported.

Niederer was later charged with defiant trespass and released. The charge could lead to a fine and a jail term of up to 60 days but jail time rarely results from such offenses, said a police spokesman....

END of Excerpt

For the AP/CBS item in full: www.cbsnews.com

-- In September, Clay Waters of the MRC's TimesWatch.org critiqued a gushing New York Times profile of Niederer:

A Sympathetic Hearing for an Extreme Bush Hater

More anti-Bush activism is featured in Wednesday's edition of the Times' liberally (scroll to bottom) tilted "Public Lives" feature, this one written by notorious anti-war reporter Chris Hedges.

"Mourning the Warrior, and Questioning the War" looks at Sue Niederer, a New Jersey woman who lost her son in Iraq and was recently arrested for disrupting a Laura Bush speech: "But Mrs. Niederer, 55, had no intention of chanting praise for Mrs. Bush or her husband. Clutching an Army cap and a rolled-up T-shirt, she had come on another mission, one that has defined her life since her only son, Second Lt. Seth J. Dvorin, 24, was killed. He died in February when a roadside bomb exploded in an Iraqi town she says she cannot pronounce."

Hedges portrays her as an average suburban housewife: "Mrs. Niederer is an unlikely firebrand, a woman who grew up in a Conservative Jewish household in Brooklyn and has spent her adult life substitute teaching, working in real estate and raising two children in Hopewell, a suburb near Princeton. She said she had never been arrested before or even been politically active. Now she frequently joins protests against the war and is active in Military Families Speak Out, a nationwide antiwar group."

This "unlikely firebrand" threatened Bush in an interview last May with the far-left Counterpunch Web site: "I wanted to rip the president's head off. Curse him, yell at him, call him a self-righteous bastard and a lot of other words. I think if I had him in front of me I would shoot him in the groined area. Let him suffer. And just continue shooting him there. Put him through misery, like he's doing to everyone else. He doesn't deserve any better....We are allowing him to get away with anything he wants to do. He flat out lied to us, killing our troops. He doesn't face the fallen family. If this is what we reelect, we deserve everything we get."...

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That's posted at: www.timeswatch.org

For the Counterpunch interview: www.counterpunch.org




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on Dec 22, 2004

continue to show your hatred and distrust of anything not "mainstream" as a source of information
They're (MRC) far less biased than MoveOn.org, ABC, CBS, NY Times, NBC, MSNBC, CNBC, The Washington Post, Slate, BBC, Time Magazine, and a host of others, many of which are far more obviously biased than MRC could ever be, and regardless of (as you note) whether you exist or not.

If you didn't exist, I'm very confident there'd be plenty of others out there that are just as "out there" as you are.


first of all, moveon.org is clearly biased because its an advocacy group.  if you truly consider all of the others youve listed as biased or unreliable,  im not the one whos out anywhere.  mrc, newsmax, etc. are the us equivalents of al jazeerah (which markets itself using the same technique).  i dont hate al jazeerah anymore than i do newsmax--which is to say i dont invest enough emotion in either of em to qualify as hate.  advocacy journalism has a place.  but it rarely reveals the entire story and it's even more rarely objective.

on Dec 22, 2004
Kind of like reporting Mikey moore is an unbiased reporter at the conventions.


Guess what, Ann Coulter was offered to cover the other convention but she blew it and was fired. She wrote an unreadable story from "the spawn of satan convention." What slanted story did Michael Moore write? His story was that NY is not as liberal as everyone makes out. He pointed out they have a Republican Senator, Governor and mayor of NYC.
on Dec 22, 2004

This post is in no way even remotely on topic, and that is ABC screwed up. They are either incompetant, or without ethics. And given it is ABC< I wont care to try to guess which


it's certainly on topic if youre going to allege that abc should have made a specific point of saying 'these people hate rumsfeld and bush and have publicly spoken out against the war elsewhere and therefore you should forget the reason theyre speaking out is they lost close blood relatives in iraq'.   if anyone has an ethical problem here, its the people who are so gungho theyre willing to diminish actual sacrifice in favor of a political position.   you havent the slightest basis for determing my competency or lack thereof.  it dont play any more favorably with me than it does philomedy or anyone else.

on Dec 22, 2004
Guess what, Ann Coulter was offered to cover the other convention but she blew it and was fired. She wrote an unreadable story from "the spawn of satan convention." What slanted story did Michael Moore write? His story was that NY is not as liberal as everyone makes out. He pointed out they have a Republican Senator, Governor and mayor of NYC.


And you believe that? Ok by me! If you want to know the truth, seek it. It aint in that statement!
on Dec 22, 2004

it's certainly on topic if youre going to allege that abc should have made a specific point of saying 'these people hate rumsfeld and bush and have publicly spoken out against the war elsewhere and therefore you should forget the reason theyre speaking out is they lost close blood relatives in iraq'. if anyone has an ethical problem here, its the people who are so gungho theyre willing to diminish actual sacrifice in favor of a political position. you havent the slightest basis for determing my competency or lack thereof. it dont play any more favorably with me than it does philomedy or anyone else.


I am not talking about you.  Why take things so personal?  I clearly stated their integrity (ABC).  You can take anything I say and twist it anyway you want, as did the others.  I challenge you or anyone to say where I said you!


Why are you so defensive?  As for the others, is that how you close an arguement?  Challenging non existant statements as attacks?  If so, sobeit (Amen to the religious).


You want to attack me, go for it.  I stand by what I said.  I never said they should have made a point of saying "hate" anyone.  Just the background of the people making the statement.  After all, how often do we hear "so and so said, a right winger" or "so and so said, the author of a book...".


If you want to respond, do so towhat is stated, not what you think you might have maybe thought of.

on Dec 23, 2004

I am not talking about you. Why take things so personal? I clearly stated their integrity (ABC). You can take anything I say and twist it anyway you want, as did the others. I challenge you or anyone to say where I said you!


sorry...i apparently misread the line.   having said that, there's no room for additional twists.  youve added more than were necessary (prolly the reason i hadda sudden attack of dyslexia) :

first you said....

But to present them as non-biased representatives is in direct violation of journalistic ethics, or supreme incompetance on the part of the reported.

(i pointed out they werent presented as non-biased representatives but as family members.)

so then you said ...

But I am sure that ABC could come up with one or two more so it is 'some', yet still fail to mention that they have a political agenda.

(to which i pointed out theyd both lost family members.  any political agenda arises from the fact theyre angry about losing their relatives.)

and then you said...

You want to discuss the facts, or go for a sob story? This post is in no way even remotely on topic, and that is ABC screwed up.

(in response i explained i felt it was on topic because of the fact abc selected them for that particular interview because between them theyd lost a brother and a son.  i guess i shoulda made a point of saying the most important reason abc selected them had to do with the fact they were upset about rumsfeld using an automated signature instead of taking time to sign the damn condolence letters--but since that was the subject of abc's piece, i didnt really think it was necessary.)

so then you say...

Just the background of the people making the statement. After all, how often do we hear "so and so said, a right winger" or "so and so said, the author of a book...".

how much more backround is required for a story about rumsfeld being under fire from some military families:

"Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld is under fire from some military families and members of the Congress. They're upset that he has used a machine to attach his signature to some letters of condolence. More than a thousand of those letters have been sent to families who've lost sons and daughters in the global war on terror."

John Yang began: "After Ivan Medina's twin brother Irving, an Army Specialist, was killed in Baghdad last year, Ivan got a letter of condolence from Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld. Today Medina, himself a veteran if Iraq, said he was angered to learn that Rumsfeld never actually signed the or even saw it."
Ivan Medina: "Our commanders here in the United States, who include the President and the Secretary of Defense, don't care about the troops. We're just a number to them and that's the wrong message to send back to our troops."
Yang: "Sue Niederer's son, First Lieutenant Seth Dvorin, died in Iraq in February."
Sue Niederer: "It made me feel infuriated. Totally disgusted. Not even to have the courtesy to sign it personally shows me how callous and unfeeling he is and our government is
 

youre either being deliberately obtuse or it's just one of those situations where if you dont get it by now, youre never gonna get it.  put on your foil hat and chant:  abc--owned by the outrageously far left looney walt disney corporation--is in league with michael moore and peter jennings is satan's spawn.

on Dec 23, 2004

youre either being deliberately obtuse or it's just one of those situations where if you dont get it by now, youre never gonna get it. put on your foil hat and chant: abc--owned by the outrageously far left looney walt disney corporation--is in league with michael moore and peter jennings is satan's spawn.


No, you accused me of calling you names.  And you provide no evidence whatso ever.  I only contend that ABC violated journalistic ethics or is supremely incompetant.  I never even remotely hinted at some sort of conspiracy.


So all I can infer from your ramblings is you lost the arguement, and are trying to change the subject.  Fine, go off on your own rant.  I am not going to follow your incoherant ramblings.

on Dec 23, 2004

No, you accused me of calling you names


if youd read my last reply, youd see i apologized as well for the misundersanding. 

on Dec 23, 2004
And you believe that? Ok by me! If you want to know the truth, seek it. It aint in that statement!


Did you read her story that she sent thru? It was posted all over.
on Dec 26, 2004
Reply By: kingbeePosted: Wednesday, December 22, 2004This post is in no way even remotely on topic, and that is ABC screwed up. They are either incompetant, or without ethics. And given it is ABCit's certainly on topic if youre going to allege that abc should have made a specific point of saying 'these people hate rumsfeld and bush and have publicly spoken out against the war elsewhere


But they *should* have said just that. But not this.

and therefore you should forget the reason theyre speaking out is they lost close blood relatives in iraq'.


on Dec 27, 2004

But they *should* have said just that. But not this


if the subject of the peice is 'relatives of american servicemen killed in action in iraq are upset with rumsfeld for not signing condolence letters'  and they interview relatives of etc etc.  theyve done exactly what they claimed they were doing.


you may not agree with those whove lost relatives and feel insulted cuz rummy cant be troubled to sign a condolence letter, but it is news...and it was presented honestly. 

if i had the money to buy a small network, id adopt an editorial policy of running only stories with outrageously misleading headlines that appealed to white males ages 40-80 who professed to love their country above everything but god and the flag and who lived for any new revelation--no matter how contrived--of outrageous assaults on the us by anyone daring to exercise his or her rights to disagree with the president or having the nerve to actually demand the government do what it claims it stands for or (even worse) journalists who feel an obligation to expose those honorable patriots in congress who are working for the common good by making their political contributors wealthy in return for giving them the keys to kingdom--thus providing my audience with all the justification they need to get pissed about how the whole place is goin to hell in a handbasket.  the station's motto would be 'who told these scumbags they hadda right to an opinion other than ours'.  and id make a fuckin fortune overnight cuz the laxitive, heartburn medication and hemmorhoid suppository industry would pay me top dollar to get advertising time on my channels.

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