Published on October 13, 2004 By drmiler In Politics
This is from the NY Times. I told you guys that this would happen and was politely told that I didn't know what I was talking about.


RELIGION
Group of Bishops Using Influence to Oppose Kerry
By DAVID D. KIRKPATRICK
and LAURIE GOODSTEIN

Published: October 12, 2004


ENVER, Oct. 9 - For Archbishop Charles J. Chaput, the highest-ranking Roman Catholic prelate in Colorado, there is only one way for a faithful Catholic to vote in this presidential election, for President Bush and against Senator John Kerry.

"The church says abortion is a foundational issue,'' the archbishop explained to a group of Catholic college students gathered in a sports bar here in this swing state on Friday night. He stopped short of telling them whom to vote for, but he reminded them of Mr. Kerry's support for abortion rights. And he pointed out the potential impact his re-election could have on Roe v. Wade.

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"Supreme Court cases can be overturned, right?" he asked.

Archbishop Chaput, who has never explicitly endorsed a candidate, is part of a group of bishops intent on throwing the weight of the church into the elections.

Galvanized by battles against same-sex marriage and stem cell research and alarmed at the prospect of a President Kerry - who is Catholic but supports abortion rights - these bishops and like-minded Catholic groups are blanketing churches with guides identifying abortion, gay marriage and the stem cell debate as among a handful of "non-negotiable issues."

To the dismay of liberal Catholics and some other bishops, traditional church concerns about the death penalty or war are often not mentioned.

Archbishop Chaput has discussed Catholic priorities in the election in 14 of his 28 columns in the free diocesan newspaper this year. His archdiocese has organized voter registration drives in more than 40 of the largest parishes in the state and sent voter guides to churches around the state. Many have committees to help turn out voters and are distributing applications for absentee ballots.

In an interview in his residence here, Archbishop Chaput said a vote for a candidate like Mr. Kerry who supports abortion rights or embryonic stem cell research would be a sin that must be confessed before receiving Communion.

"If you vote this way, are you cooperating in evil?" he asked. "And if you know you are cooperating in evil, should you go to confession? The answer is yes."

The efforts of Archbishop Chaput and his allies are converging with a concerted drive for conservative Catholic voters by the Bush campaign. It has spent four years cultivating Catholic leaders, organizing more than 50,000 volunteers and hiring a corps of paid staff members to increase Catholic turnout. The campaign is pushing to break the traditional allegiance of Catholic voters to the Democratic Party, an affiliation that began to crumble with Ronald Reagan 24 years ago.

Catholics make up about a quarter of the electorate, and many conservative Catholics are concentrated in swing states, pollsters say. Conservatives organizers say they are working hard because the next president is quite likely to name at least one new Supreme Court justice.

Catholic prelates have publicly clashed with Catholic Democrats like former Gov. Mario M. Cuomo of New York and Geraldine A. Ferraro, the former representative and vice-presidential candidate.

But never before have so many bishops so explicitly warned Catholics so close to an election that to vote a certain way was to commit a sin.

Less than two weeks ago, Archbishop Raymond L. Burke of St. Louis issued just such a statement. Bishop Michael J. Sheridan of Colorado Springs and Archbishop John J. Myers of Newark have both recently declared that the obligation to oppose abortion outweighs any other issue.

In theological terms, these bishops and the voter guides argue that abortion and the destruction of embryos are categorically wrong under church doctrine. War and even the death penalty can in certain circumstances be justified.

But it is impossible to know how many bishops share this view, and there is resistance from a sizable wing of the church that argues that voting solely on abortion slights Catholic teaching on a range of other issues, including war, poverty, the environment and immigration.

Liberal Catholics contend that the church has traditionally left weighing the issues to the individual conscience. Late in the campaign, these Catholics have begun to mount a counterattack, belatedly and with far fewer resources.

In diocesan newspapers in Ohio, Pennsylvania and West Virginia, they are buying advertisements with the slogan "Life Does Not End at Birth." Organizers of the campaign say it is supported by 200 Catholic organizations, among them orders of nuns and brothers.



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on Oct 14, 2004
Reply #15 By: Myrrander - 10/13/2004 8:15:04 PM
Ah, I dunno, they excommunicated Henry VIII and he just made his own church

They excommunicated Martin Luther, too -- and he made a whole bunch of churches


Shhhhh, not so loud.

The Kerry Camp and the DNC may have plans to start a "Jones style Church" soon. So all you Kool-Aid drinkers out there watch out how you drink it, if Kerry loses the election.

PS: I Know, I'm guilty of a very sick joke. But think about it. MUHAAHAAA, MUHAAHAAA
on Oct 14, 2004
I don't think I really think my argument depends on anyone accepting my logic. I cited the voting results from 2000, and polls done this year, and I included links so you could verify my assertions. Don't argue with me, argue with Catholic voters. Catholics supported Gore over Bush and an overwhelming majority of Catholics oppose Church involvement in how Catholics vote and the positions Catholic candidates take.
on Oct 14, 2004
Just because they supported Gore does not mean they will support Kerry, for one Gore was not Catholic Kerry is.

So it makes a mighty difference to Catholics when one of their own who is supposed to know better does the wrong thing.

- Grim X
on Oct 14, 2004
But its not just abortion supporters, Chaput also believes that people who gossip should not receive communion.

From the Rocky Mountain News:

"Chaput does not mention abortion as he has in previous columns. But he calls on all persons who deny church teachings in general to rekindle "a deeper devotion to confession" and that Communion should not be received by those who sin "by theft, lying, adultery, pride, gossip, anger, envy, callousness to the poor, pornography or indifference."

IG
on Oct 14, 2004
To the dismay of liberal Catholics and some other bishops, traditional church concerns about the death penalty or war are often not mentioned.
Great point. With this blatant violation of the separation clause, the Catholic Church should lose its tax exmption in the Colorado diocese. 
on Oct 14, 2004
"Im a devout catholic and i personally think abortion is a sin worthy of eternal damnation, but if YOU want to have one, its ok with me."
But for eternal damnation that's Kerry's view too.
So it makes a mighty difference to Catholics when one of their own who is supposed to know better does the wrong thing.
My, you are indeed so grim!
on Oct 14, 2004



Reply #21 By: stevendedalus - 10/14/2004 2:10:01 PM
To the dismay of liberal Catholics and some other bishops, traditional church concerns about the death penalty or war are often not mentioned.
Great point. With this blatant violation of the separation clause, the Catholic Church should lose its tax exmption in the Colorado diocese.


And just how is this a violation of the separation clause? It's NOT! They aren't saying one way or the other who to vote for! Read it again. Here let me help
Galvanized by battles against same-sex marriage and stem cell research and alarmed at the prospect of a President Kerry - who is Catholic but supports abortion rights - these bishops and like-minded Catholic groups are blanketing churches with guides identifying abortion, gay marriage and the stem cell debate as among a handful of "non-negotiable issues."
If they were doing something actually illegal don't you think the Kerry campaign would be ALL over this?


So it makes a mighty difference to Catholics when one of their own who is supposed to know better does the wrong thing.


My, you are indeed so grim!


Grim? Maybe. But alas all to true

on Oct 15, 2004
Reply By: blogicPosted: Thursday, October 14, 2004I don't think I really think my argument depends on anyone accepting my logic. I cited the voting results from 2000, and polls done this year, and I included links so you could verify my assertions. Don't argue with me, argue with Catholic voters. Catholics supported Gore over Bush and an overwhelming majority of Catholics oppose Church involvement in how Catholics vote and the positions Catholic candidates take


Here's a recent poll on Catholics:


In short, while claiming a Catholic heritage, he has used every opportunity to undermine Catholic values. This is why Kerry is trailing Bush among Catholics 53 percent to 36 percent. .

Of course when it's convenient for Kerry to cite the very faith he so often disdains, he has no problem doing so.
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